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>Another one has seen the light

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Whil wrote:

With “Spring” only some varying number of months away (depending on your optimism), I thought now might be a good time to start a list of all the things which must happen with Open Uru.

1. Someone must create an Age with toilets. This should be self-explanatory. Figure it must be called Dunny for a reason, right?

2. Someone must create an Age filled with machine guns which shoot nothing but rose petals and candy. No one would mention this feature. Instead, Uru is billed as a next-generation fantasy first person shooter. New players to “Uru: Blood” get charged a $25 monthly fee and are locked into a three year deal. Meanwhile the regular players get regular checks.

3. We must put the face of an Uru character on more pieces of merchandise than that of President Obama. People have put his likeness on everything now from plates and coins, to swiss army knives and underwear. Sure, we’ve had Myst ballcaps and Uru t-shirts, but the point of merchandise is to be as tacky and disturbing as possible. To remedy this, Dr. Watson’s likeness will be made into a cake mold.

4. There must be at least one Age made of solid gold engraved with the cure for cancer. If an Age like this isn’t made, Open Uru will be a horrible failure and Rand will be personally responsible for a kindergarten class in Spokane crying itself to sleep.

5. There must be at least one Age made up of a flat plane covered in poorly-textured cubes. This Age must have the contrast in lighting of Second Life. It must also crash every player who links into it. After all, what will our other Age writers aspire to?

6. The community must have at least one fight. Preferably one where someone gets banned and the reason somehow involves the statement “Payiferen’s sand is ‘light pumpkin.’” Without such a pointless battle, honestly, how will we be entertained?

7. Someone must use “The ending has not yet been written” another million times. Seriously, folks, this cow can still be milked for some more optimistic glory, why should we try looking for a new slogan?

8. We must have people constantly berate the community’s optimism. Because, apparently, after nearly two years of not listening to any criticism, the solution is to listen to every half-thought-out idea that you, your friends, and your dog have come up with for making Uru a success.

9. The community must never allow any changes which violate the sacred core of Uru. No idea should be even considered if it means doing something different or interesting. Cyan gave us Uru so we could lock her up in her bedroom and keep her safe, not let her into some dirty park where she could get mud on her lace.

10. And lastly, the community must acknowledge that Uru can never, ever, be a success. We must because “real” fans of Cyan say we must. After all, they loved the original Myst games so they must know what they’re talking about, right? And they’re being so complex, they’re either geniuses or my broker. Yes, yes, Uru will be the greatest if we just put in an expensive fee system, port it to everyone’s favorite platform, and buy shares in Citigroup. Thanks to the massive incompetance of two teams of developers with years of experience in the field and the utter foolishness of both a well-established game publisher and a game distributor who belonged to one of the largest media conglomerates in history, Uru was a horrible commercial failure. Nevermind any inconvienient possibilities that might have occurred, this community would be better off it they just bowed before these prophets of the pellets and listened to their every word.

Hear hear brother!!!! Praise Rand and the holy ways of Cyantology! So glad you have seen the light sir. I give your report a B+

Source: http://whilyam.wordpress.com/2009/03/11/demands-for-open-uru/

>Such tragic times we live in.

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http://www.mystonline.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=16863

Does anyone here wish that (I know that Cyan can’t support it at the moment) Uru were going to be Cyan created instead of fan run? I know I do…

Oh God Rand yes! Mainly because I want an official leader to tell me what to do, what to think, and what order I should play the ages in (I hear if you play the ages backwards, you become a Satan worshiper Slackers member).

I feel common ground for those of us who are afraid to think for ourselves. Which is why I’m torn that Cyan would give the fan community it’s own control. Granted, it is nice to think we will see each other again. But that security blanket Cyan gave us back in prologue and MOUL will not exist anymore. It is just tragic.

I’d rather sit in my room staring at myself sitting on the bench in Eder Kemo alone, than be with individuals in an Open Source community. But being the overlord that I am, I’ll join this new community and try to take control for myself. Once I take part in a shard or 12, I’ll have everyones attention. And when I do, I’ll explain at that time why this freedom sucketh so much.

>Open Thread

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http://www.mystonline.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=16835&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Spellbreaker wrote:
Shorah to you all my friends.

I am a Myst-Fan from the beginning, Games, Books, Fansites, and of course URU. I was a beta tester for the first try, and have been in Uru until gamtap shut down.

Cyan. I really appreciate what you are trying to give to the community. But you should think over it again. The Step of MORE will simply destroy the Myth of Myst, because only you are able to continue expanding that great universe. And yes, I know your are not able to do that at the Moment.

But I beg you, Cyan, Rand Miller: Let Myst rest in Peace. It has been a great Adventure ( myst and uru ), it was fun, sometimes annoying ( overcrowded City anyone? Wink

If your company gets healthy enough in the future, you should focus on a new Myst adventure, or maybe something complete different that blows our Mind. But don’t do that open source stuff. It will destroy Myst, if there isn’t a company like Cyan which controls it.

So please, Rand, do not do it.

Sincerly,

Spellbreaker.

Here’s an idea. In the past we’ve had petitions to bring back Uru Live each and every time it closed. So how about we have a petition to not bring back Uru?

Either way it would be just as effective…

>A thought on the “Is It MORE yet???” thread.

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You know… I read awhile back that POTS shards have been running to this day, and that those were the only shards that were given Cyan’s ok after UU was shut down. If all the pictures Vid has been posting turns out to be from some sort of POTS shard, I am going to laugh at the asshats who are having heart attacks over this whole thing.

And in case you’re reading this, I have something that will help you get from thread to thread on the MOUL forum:

>Open Thread

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I’ve been quietly watching these two threads unfold.

http://www.mystonline.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=16404&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=240

http://www.uruobsession.com/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=111&t=34327&s=05249267faf76b4ba53defe9d098dfbf

NOW is the time to find these servers and put a stop to them by what we slackers are infamously known for. But first we’ll need to ask whoever is running this project to import torches into the game so we can burn them down… I’m persuasive so I think it can happen.

I think there are some important clues in that thread.

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Until Uru -> Uru Live
SOME -> MORE

To me this looks like Uru level evolution. Which as a pure Uru lover I have to disagree SIMPLY because Until Uru was mentioned.

And then some words of wisdom over at UO.

diafero wrote:
It has technically always been possible to run a UU or Alcugs Shard, and I guess now someone decided to do a screenshot of it

Thank you, I don’t think Dickens said it enough the first time. So thanks for the reminder. Without you I don’t know how we could have ever remembered…

My heart goes out to whoever is doing this though, with there being asshats and all ready to sniff out the people doing this, they may need asshat beaters and moronic aura detectors to assist. I think we could help them if they really need it. Wink

Speaking of that, let me get to some of the fun parts of the Is it MORE yet thread on MOUL.

Murray/Kat wrote:
Cyan have stated they will make an announcement in the near future and what I have seen going on here amounts to common looting. If we do open this can of worms, you can bet it will destroy the future for MORE.

If I didn’t know better, I’d say he knows more about Cyan than Cyan does!

Murray/Kat wrote:
A lot have decided MORE will not be coming, but I think it would be only fair to let Cyan state that for certain. I lived through the UU days which many of you would like to see return, but I also vividly remember seeing the shards dwindle down to almost no one online in a given evening, in fact most of the shards run by anal retentive people closed up.

Improved. Tapestry closed down and so did Alpha Blue Screw. But if you looked at shards like Slackers, DSG and all the other shards that were stacking people on one kagi key, you would find that there were 13 people on close to a daily basis. Even TMP had it’s people in for Sunday gatherings. So yes Murr, you once again prove that opinions are like assholes and you’ve yet to learn how to wipe yourself.

And with every lameduck post, comes a good post.

Whil wrote:
I second Nadnerb’s post, though I would phrase it more respectfully myself. There is nothing anyone has to fear. I am honored and deeply humbled by the hard work of this community. I find myself once again reminded of the tremendous respect I have for this community and for the respect it has shown to the game it loves. I also find myself encouraged that there are still those who love and care for the game as I do, even as others falter and fall. The words patience and charity and selflessness come to mind. This is the best of this community. We are a patient community, but not one which stands still. We are patient like a river carving its way through the wilderness. Like the gathering storm. We are a charitable community and a selfless one as well. We give our time and our money, our sweat and our tears, to a game which has been written off and counted out. And we ask for nothing in return but peace and endless moments, friends at our sides.

I understand and respect Andy and Murray, and I urge others to do the same. Because I know, as they do, that we all wish to see MORE become a reality and I look forward to that day.

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The longer we sit in silence, the more people drift away and disappear. It’s not like the old days where we’d occasionally get a new bit of history to mull over, or a word to analyze to hold us over until the mythical “MUDPIE” was ready. We have nothing, and given Cyan’s situation, we shouldn’t expect anything.

The point of this post has always been to show that people still care. That there are still people that are waiting patiently for MORE. And I believe quite a few of us that will still be waiting for it even if an announcement is made stating it’s cancellation. Because at this point, it’s all we have. Hope against the impossible.

People have made a lot of assumptions about the things they’ve seen in this thread. From “It’s the MORE beta!” to “OMG ILLEGAL HAX SHUT HIM DOWN NOW!” and I want to make one thing VERY CLEAR:

I’ve provided a handful of images. What you make of them is entirely up to you.

These pictures were made to give people a reminder of what we’re waiting for. Something to hold onto and think about when everything else so far has been taken away. There will probably be at least one or two more pictures posted at some point.

Maybe people will accept them for what they are.
Or maybe people will say ‘It’s a shop! I can see the pixels!’
Or maybe people will cry ‘Hacks! Hacks You’re killing Uru!’ while completely forgetting that fan hacks kept Uru alive.
Or maybe the moderation team will jump to cancel Christmas, assuming that there’s foul play at work.

I hope that someone finds some hope in this, however, before it’s taken away again, and before I’m silenced in an effort to preserve what we currently have. That is to say, ‘nothing’.

There is lots of good reading material there. But what really caught my eye was mszv’s post.

mszv wrote:
If anyone is here long enough they will find that someone will tell them they aren’t the “right” sort of fan because of what they posted. It happened in the old days of Cyan game fandom and it still happens today, all the time, particularly on this forum. It happens less on Uru Obsession. That’s just how it is. People are not positive enough, people photoshopped an image, people are comparing Uru to other games (supposedly really bad) people are asking what’s up with Cyan (supposedly super super bad), people are saying what they liked about the game or didn’t like, people want a reboot, people don’t want a reboot, people liked the episodes, people didn’t like the episodes, or……something. All of these are perfectly acceptable things to post, if you ask me, but there will be someone on this forum or thinks that you are posting an opinion, and “you should do that”. It’s not that people disgree with the poster’s opinion – that would be fine, even healthy – it’s the odd next step – that you should not post your opinion. also that your opinion is “bad”. Sometimes it’s posted rather, vaguely, as “some people are too…..”, but you get the idea. Sometimes names are named. It happens all the time. Wow – even vidkid – an amazingly positive person – gets negative comments. I guess even vidkid, who posts how much he misses the game, is not that good of a fan!

You know how we go on and on about how great the community is? I always want to jump in and say “well, yes, except some members of the community always think that other members of the community are doing it wrong”. The community is tiny, but I guess it’s just not tiny enough!

I wonder why that is. Are the fans, the players, the enemy, against Cyan? Is this some sort of contest, or, better yet, a quest? You know, I think that’s part of it – wow, I think I’m onto something here! There appears to be the quest for uber game purity, uber fandom going on. It’s like a game – how can you beat out all the other fans and be the very best fan! Wow, kind of a PvP, player versus player, thing going on, on our very forums! And there’s a light and dark alliance!

Fortunately, from what I remember, people were nice in-game.

Did anyone else notice that when Tweek and mszv came in everyone started to calm down? You’d think it was because of their colorful names over there.

>The idea is just NOW good enough to think about.

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So I was going over this and thought there was some serious dejavu going on in this thread.

Jamey:

Hi all,

I really wanted to post this topic in response to the recent announcement of MORE being put on indefinite hold.

Ok, First off, I really want to keep this community alive, together, and hopeful. And since MORE is being put on hold, the community only has these (and a few other) forums to stay in contact.

Here is what I suggest, and ask of Cyan to make sure this would be ok by them. Do you all think we should run our own 100% community version of Until MORE? (the place we can go, well, until the MORE project at Cyan continues)

I know a lot of people, like myself, were against the idea of an Until Uru right before MORE, but now that MORE has been put on hold, I think we need UU (or Until MORE) to keep this community alive and well and hopeful. And when MORE finally does get back to production, Until MORE could be shut down.

And besides, if we don’t do something to keep Uru’s dream alive and well right now, who will?

What do you all think? And Cyan, what do you think?

[Edit: huh?! I thought this post was merged into another topic by a mod, now it’s back?! O.o]

The fact that the mods kindly put this back in a thread of it’s own tells me that this has to be a good idea and that Jamey is onto something. But even then I’m still at a bit of a fork in the road after reading some other interesting posts in the same thread.

Ewlian:

Well, the good idea would have been not to shut down until in the fist place. And now the same peaple want until back and complains ?? It’s too late to say “we want until back”. You should have said that back in february 2007.
Now until is no more, and though i wouldn’t mind it comming back, i don’t see that happening.

Here is where we reach the double edged sword. On one hand we currently have a choice of either meeting each other in a text format, or in a form of Uru. If you ask me, the people who pushed for UU to be shutdown are going soft on us. Why are they choosing now to think things over? Keeping interest? If anything it endangers MORE specifically because if you were to compare UU to MOUL, UU outlasted MOUL 3 times over. Would it be fun to run or even go to a UU server? Yes, but we’re not here to have fun, we are here to support Cyan, by waiting for them to do all the work while we sit around and nag about it.

BAD:

Are some of you really so selfish and immature to say you don’t want a game to play while MORE may or may not be worked out?

The only thing I see is “I didn’t like the bad times of UU and I refuse to admit there were good times. I want everyone to be as miserable as myself so I’m gonna poo poo any idea that may help get people back into playing Uru.”

Way to be folks.

Cyan, please don’t bring back Uru in any form. With people sporting this attitude, it will never last.

No wonder I dislike this forum.

And here I thought you’d be begging the mods here to lock the thread because Jamey is discussing as much hacking content as Dickens did.

BAD, you let me down…

Jamey:

I have to agree with you BAD. I’ve been seeing a lot of it myself and I don’t like it that much either. And if I think if they’re going to have a negative attitude about UU/MORE returning (whichever happens), they don’t have to participate in either one, because I really don’t think the people that want Uru to succeed to be surrounded by all the negativity. They deserve better than that, and so does Cyan.

Yes we have to if these rogue servers show up Jamey. It’s important to go to those shards and protest while conveniently partying at the same time. We have to login and tell all people who are on there to get off because for every time they sign into the game, a coder doesn’t get a redbull to get his wings.

mcbride3:

Oh, BAD just gets pissy from time to time; otherwise he can’t live up to his name.

If we are voting, [b]I vote for Gondar’s version of the SHARD system.[/b]

Otherwise, matthornb’s likening of all this to the current stock market seems quite appropriate. I can’t think of many other things with such scintillating breakneck ups and downs. But remember, the economy had been basically sound. Cyan has not.
And even with what had been a strong economy (until Congress and the SEC began encouraging balloon mortgages for people who had no business buying a house in the first place) – we are headed for many more downs. I hope the economy remains strong enough to show a bit of oomph at Christmas.

Saying this, I think the economy is more predictable than Cyan.

Maybe so, but compared side by side, they are equally consistent.

Here, follow the link and form your own opinion, on the condition it resembles mine.

>MORE waiting among other things

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I couldn’t help but notice that over at the MOUL forum, that semplerfi just HAD to bring back that locked thread by the evil Dickens in another thread. How dare he use the limited speech at the MOUL forum to get away with that! And as of now the thread is still not locked! I propse we gather a big mob of people to shut this one down! Wait, someone tried to lock it already?

ddferyne wrote:

I tried to lock the thread but I seem to have spasms in my hand which ALWAYS make me click the wrong button, damn.

ZOMG! This Cyantist can’t do to a thread what Whitch2 can do to 5 threads in 3 minutes. But that’s a Cyantist, so I guess it’s ok.

CrisGer wrote:

The point all along was to follow Cyan’s lead and decisions, and support them and the game, and the commuity. Whatever they decide about this and anything else, I will as always totally support.

For him to give up actually thinking for himself and letting other people do it for him is nothing short of dedication. But alas some people have to ruin it by showing us they can think on a plane of reality…

AdamJohnso:

I see you guys blow the same way the wind does. That is useful to know.

Thinking for yourself is a great thing BTW.

NO!!!! It takes time to think for yourself! Allowing other people to do it for you is much easier and you’ll have more time on your hands for things like cheetos, verbal masturbation, sockpuppeting, and all other things asshats do . See, no one likes a know it all because they know things. And people like us don’t like that unless it’s in the form of a Cyan employee. They’re allowed to think within reason.

Which is why us folks at the MOUL forum will not listen to Dicken’s, he’s not a Cyantist therefore anything he does in this community is not worthy of our attention, that is unless Cyan says it’s ok, then he’ll be the greatest guy who ever lived! After all whatever Cyan chooses is ok with me.

As an aside, anyone read about MORE being put on hold? Why didn’t those stupid UU people listen to us? They just HAD to keep talking about UU being used for reasons like “keeping interest” and “Ways to see each other”, well thank you, because of you not only is MORE on hold, the stock market is on the verge of going tits up. Yes, UU is bad, but did you people listen? Nooooo, now because of UU being mentioned people besides Cyan are losing money.

IT’S ALL YOUR FAULTS EXCEPT MINE!!!!!!

>I demand a protest.

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http://www.mystonline.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=16341

Jamey wrote:

I voted no, you need to get Cyan’s permission before you do this. If they say yes, fine, otherwise it’s ILLEGAL.

But I still don’t want the fan-created servers to come up, because I’m concerned that if we all go to these fan servers, when MORE comes, I’m afraid some may decide to stay on the fan servers, and that won’t let Cyan get the money they need to run the servers that are going to have the fan created content, and that is what would really split the community,

And if Cyan can’t get enough money to run MORE, it won’t last.

Dickens wrote:

Some of you know that I discovered how to get the old Until Uru servers working without Cyan’s central authentication/data servers… It’s such a waste that this information goes unused, so what if we, the community, made a proposal to Cyan that would allow us to run UU Shards until MORE is a reality.

You know, when I read it, as in word for word actually reading it. It sounds to me like they are not going to co exist, but rather it will give people something to do while waiting for the real thing.

I propose that if this does actually happen, that we hold protests ON these servers. First I think we should tell people to stay away from them, then after we agree. we go to those shards (if they still exist) login and protest. The more of us the better.

CrisGer wrote:

Mods please lock this thread, what Dickens is talking about is hacking and we have been asked to stop talking baout it.
Be patient. and wait for the right way.

Shorter CrisGer: I’m scared I’m scared! Help mods people are thinking of ways to stay interested!

Just kidding. We all know the 12 commandments of Cyantology. And I stand by: The asshat’s shall inherit the cavern.

>Expect MORE vault wipes!

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Here’s another way people have managed to get lazy.

http://forums.guildofgreeters.com/index.php?showtopic=14730&st=15&#entry229989

ZOMG a vault wipe I iz scareded!!!!!!!

Why do people get so worked up over vault wipes? This is just a small example, but over the years some people seem to shudder and groan when the words “vault wipe” get thrown around. They claim to love the game yet groan at playing it over and over again. Hell I was thinking if Cyan ever hit a dry spot again they could just go “vault wipe!” and have everyone start fresh again. “Gee Randy we won’t be having any new content for at least 3 days. Lets do a vault wipe so we can keep them busy!!!!” Laughing

>Thou Shalt Not Complain About Cyan’s Technology

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http://www.uruobsession.com/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=111&t=33869&s=208eaf96630617a0058f793daaee12fe

You know, the more people go around complaining about how much something that Cyan has doesn’t work, the more people will leave. Imperfections always cause harm to companies and people’s lives. Which is why we have to prove to the community that they are the perfect company!

Your thoughts? On the condition that you agree with me of course.