>Open Thread

Every post you make
And every thread I take
Every thread you make, it’s the one I’ll take,
I’ll be modding you

Every single day
I take what you say
Every age you play, every word you say
I’ll be modding you

I’ll make you see
this all belongs to me
Will your post go or stay
when comes judgment day?
Every rant you make
Every rule you break
Every hack you make, every fact you state
I’ll be modding you

This post’s gone, Threads are lost without a trace
I scream in fright, when I visit another place
I read around,it’s your thread I can’t erase
I wait for MORE, not yet another disgrace
I keep saying maybe, maybe we’ll see,
I’ll make you see
this all belongs to me
Will your thread go or stay
when comes judgment day?
Every rant you make
Every rule you break
Every hack you make, every fact you state
I’ll be modding you
Every post you make, every thread I take
I’ll be modding you
I’ll be modding you

Update

http://slackerslive.servegame.com/SlackersLive/viewtopic.php?p=37257#37257

>I am Uru. Why wasn’t I invited?

Community, as some of you know from reading The GOGu blog, there is a council being formed to approve and disapprove of ages. But since MORE isn’t here yet they have no choice but to approve and disapprove of offline game ages. Now, while I think it’s a noble cause to tell people what should and shouldn’t be on their PC, lets face it… It’s about as easy as having the FCC censor real life.

http://www.guildofmaintainers.org/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=712&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=20

BAD wrote:

Did I miss a meeting when everyone decide three is no longer an odd number? Honestly I would like to hear a scenario where the panel will be so swamped with age ideas, that it is necessary to have nine people working on them.

He did apparently… As did I.

Andy wrote:

It was Chogon (Mark’s) idea, and both Tony and Rand loved it. Chogon then asked for a private place to talk to both the GM’s of the GoMa and the Councilors of the GoW over at the GoW forum. We began talking on 13 May, 2008. You were suppose to have access to that forum (who’s link I just PM’ed you).

Paradox wrote:

The forum was only visible to people mentioned specifically by Chogon, and to the GoW and GoMa councils.

Now, I can understand the slackers not being invited, they’d ruin Uru by default as we all assume, they didn’t ruin the first Live, Until Uru, or MORE, but someday they might and we have to take caution! But why didn’t I get in??? I believe in Uru. I believe it has stuff in it! And I believe that it’s not butter. So tell me community… Why wasn’t I worthy?

>Expect MORE vault wipes!

Here’s another way people have managed to get lazy.

http://forums.guildofgreeters.com/index.php?showtopic=14730&st=15&#entry229989

ZOMG a vault wipe I iz scareded!!!!!!!

Why do people get so worked up over vault wipes? This is just a small example, but over the years some people seem to shudder and groan when the words “vault wipe” get thrown around. They claim to love the game yet groan at playing it over and over again. Hell I was thinking if Cyan ever hit a dry spot again they could just go “vault wipe!” and have everyone start fresh again. “Gee Randy we won’t be having any new content for at least 3 days. Lets do a vault wipe so we can keep them busy!!!!” Laughing

>MORE elitism?

http://www.mystonline.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=16173&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Now I’m sure whenever some of you see a thread about ResEng’s for MO:RE, words like “powergrab” and “elitism” come to mind. I’m going to do my best to prove to you that it’s all in your heads.

Some people are saying Cyan should be in charge or no one at all, some are suggesting volunteers, and some are saying no volunteers but rather unpaid employees. But the best suggestion has to be this one:

I wouldn’t have a problem with community moderators in the game. It works fine here on the forums and obviously if you really think you have an issue with an in-game moderator, you file a ticket on it just like you would in WoW.

And there you go! I can’t think of a MORE perfect team. Let the MOUL mods handle MORE the way they handle the forum. I dare anyone to complain about it. Seriously, I want to see how long it will last.

And this is a good definition of this “elitism” floating around.

From what I can tell around here “eliteism” = “whichever group I’m not a part of that gets to do stuff”.

Exactly. And since I’m the leader of the guild of guilds, I have nothing to worry about. All your guild things are belong to us. And since I aspire to be just like the MOUL forum team, I can’t wait to see people like my hero whitch2 doing what she does best on the forum, only in MORE.

>Thou Shalt Not Complain About Cyan’s Technology

http://www.uruobsession.com/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=111&t=33869&s=208eaf96630617a0058f793daaee12fe

You know, the more people go around complaining about how much something that Cyan has doesn’t work, the more people will leave. Imperfections always cause harm to companies and people’s lives. Which is why we have to prove to the community that they are the perfect company!

Your thoughts? On the condition that you agree with me of course.

>Dunny in all it’s glory.

There is a reason why Uru keeps getting shut down! AND there is a reason why there are no toilets in D’ni!

Why make toilets for a game that constantly gets thrown and taken out of one? D’ni sounds like dunny which in Australia means toilet, right?

Case closed. Cyan isn’t really failing. They are just giving us a D’ni/Dunny experience that we’ll never forget. You can’t forget that toilets constantly get filled with shit and well…

>Open Thread

>

Alah wrote:
BAD:
I am in no way demanding that people be serious, fun-averse stiffs on the MOUL forum.

He doesn’t have to, there are plenty of us there to do it for him.

Alah wrote:
Hell, I think that people can be pretty silly there, and I have no problem with it. However, when you want to communicate a problem to those you feel are doing something inappropriate, silly jokes and sarcasm aren’t exactly the best tools. Straightforward, honest, and direct communication is far more productive, I find, than slinging insults and being flippant.

You tell them Alah! Never mind the fact that when said people tried to be serious about past situations to one another, all that happened was a lot of verbal ass kicking. But in the end isn’t that what it all comes down to?

Alah wrote:
As far as why I take everything so seriously, I try not to. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t. Perhaps the biggest reason I tend to be so serious in these situations is because it strikes me as an important characteristic for someone in charge to be able to be serious when discussing these matters. That said, I do tend to take Uru more seriously than others because to me, it’s more than just a game. D’ni is literally something that I grew up with. It’s a very special thing to me, and I can admittedly be somewhat protective of it. I do my best to stay out of conversations where that attitude is going to cause problems, which is why I tend to hang out where I do.

Shorter Alah: I surround myself with people and get in line to kiss and protect canon ass.

And in the world of Cyantology that is a healthy habit to practice.

Alah wrote:
Wutt:
I apologize for not responding to your PM yesterday. I was at work when you sent it, and didn’t have the time to dedicate to writing what I felt would be an adequate response (in fact, I’m devoting entirely too much time to writing this response as it is). By the time I got home, other matters required my attention and your PM slipped off of my radar because, quite simply, I have a really terrible memory. It’s a crap excuse, but it’s the truth. If you want to see it as a personal sleight, that’s well within your rights. However, my lack of immediate response was out of concern that I wouldn’t be responding to you with the full attention I felt your concerns deserved, and I very much apologize for my later scatterbrainedness.

I knew there was a reason why I looked up to this guy, he has the same communication/apology skills as Greydragon!

Alah wrote:
Hoikas:
I’m not entirely certain how much clearer I can make this point to you: I am trying to engage you, and others with your concerns, in a conversation because I’m willing to admit that there may be problems with the way the forum is being run that are a result of how the moderators are doing things.

There may be a problem, could also be taken to mean there may not be a problem. When I read it that way, I feel a lot better.

Alah wrote:
If my sole intent in opening a dialogue was to blame you for everything, I don’t think we’d be having any sort of conversation at all; I’d just be blaming you and not say a word elsewise. That said, I do appreciate that you’re willing to acknowledge that the problem is not as one-sided as it’s always made out to be, with the mods indiscriminately going after the Slackers whenever they say word one.

As you can see here he’s not attacking anyone, it’s just not in his personality to attack one group.

Alah wrote:
There is give and take, as well as shared responsibility, in any disagreement. With that understanding, can we move forward to discuss ways that we (meaning the Slackers and the MOUL mods) could avoid stepping on each others’ toes quite as often as we seem to? We keep going around in this dance of sarcasm, reaction, offended response (lather, rinse, repeat) and getting nowhere.

Shorter Alah: Would you slackers please stop pointing out our stupidity??? It’s so bad that our green mod text can hardly cover it up.

Alah wrote:
Regarding the UserKI discussions: while I see and readily acknowledge your point that D’mala got along just fine without the UserKI, discussions of UU seem to gravitate to the UserKI with some degree of regularity (D’mala also had the benefit of intermittent Cyan participation through the DRC, and other more immersion-friendly user contributions that somewhat obviated the need for it). I’m well aware that most of the UserKI and AdminKI functionality is completely inappropriate for MORE, but in the interest of allowing people to discuss that point and reach their own conclusions (something we are continually accused of preventing), we opted to permit the conversations to continue. Incidentally, pretty much everyone involved in the conversation has reached the same conclusion you and I had already arrived at. At the same time, we did attempt to steer the thread about when MORE would be released back to its original topic because the UserKI had nothing to do with the purpose of the thread, and discussing it in its own topic was more appropriate. Please don’t try to use this one instance as an example of the mods trying to squash any alternative views or obstruct the natural flow of conversation, and please understand that even we sometimes end up contributing to a discussion that may be better suited in another thread. It is not our goal to be intentionally inconsistent; we’re human, we make mistakes, and unfortunately I think the mandated green text does more to highlight our slip-ups and personal opinions than accentuate our comments when we have something official to say.

Cool! That means it’s ok to talk about hacking now! I always knew it was good to talk about it, really!

Alah wrote:
Thank you, also, for pointing out what sarcasm can be used for. Between you and Tomala, I’m becoming something of an expert on the subject (see, I can do it too!).

I’m insulted that he thinks I’m using sarcasm. Sad Doesn’t he realize I’m emulating him just to get his message of love and peace (and I understand that is his message) throughout the community?

Alah wrote:
I’m well aware of the fact that sarcasm seems to be the weapon of choice for you and others when it comes to addressing problems. However, perhaps you should stop and consider whether your tone is helping matters or not when little seems to have changed as a result of your witty commentary. I’m not trying to push this back on you, because I guess by now we (the mods) ought to be used to your way of talking about your problems, but if sarcasm hasn’t gotten your point across in the past 2+ years, maybe you ought to try something less likely to put the people you’re trying to talk to on the defensive.

It’ll be easier eh? You mean like this?

http://slackerslive.servegame.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=594&start=0&sid=7069e9da1428051321fa255fe9da40aa

Yeah, all that seriousness really got so much accomplished back then.

Alah wrote:
I’m not here to pick a fight, I’m here to talk. Unfortunately, my responses always seem to be on the defensive because all I have to respond to are charged or inappropriate comments, absurd hyperbole (SS headquarters? Seriously?), sarcastic jabs and questionable behavior which you yourself have admitted to engaging in. Would you want to talk to me or take me seriously if I were doing the same thing to you? Think about it.

Thought about it… And seeing as I can’t tell the difference, sure why not? I’ve been told I have great communication skills. So I’d have no problem getting my point across one way or another. Watching tactics like his and others has really paid off.

>Slacker VS MOUL mod

http://www.dpwr.net/alahmnat/2008/08/05/an-open-letter/

Alahmat has responded to Hoikas over at Alah’s blog. Here is what Adam wrote.

Hoikas wrote:
This is a prime example of why people don’t come to you. You fly off the handle at the slightest thing. Sure the post probably wasn’t the most tactful thing in the world, and my reports probably didn’t come off all that great to you, but you know what? Maybe there is a message behind all of this. Maybe people are doing this because there is a problem, but feel that even attempting to communicate it to you will accomplish nothing at all.

I know that is how I feel, and I know for a fact that others feel this way too.

So are you going to continue to be a part of the problem? Or will you be a *real* man and become part of the solution?

And here is what Alah wrote. I think it’s best that I break it down piece by piece. Word for word from quote to quote.

Alah wrote:
Okay, so that’s how it is, then. I’m doing everything I can think of to give you an avenue to discuss the problems you have with the MOUL forum, and in return you insult me.

Yeah Hoikas, LEAVE ALAHMAHT ALONE!!!! HE IS JUST A HUMAN!!!

Alah wrote:
What, exactly, would you like me to do to be a part of this “solution” of yours, since trying to behave like an adult and talk to you personally doesn’t seem to be cutting it? Your behavior on the forums, both in the locked thread and through the abuse of the post reporting feature, was out of line and pointing that fact out does not constitute “flying off the handle”. Rather than even make an attempt to communicate your problems rationally, you instead went straight for the most obnoxious way of making your point as humanly possible. Flooding the post reporter with 22 identical (and occasionally sarcastic) reports is not a good way to get me to take you seriously, nor is insinuating that the mods outright refuse to tolerate alternative viewpoints and diversions in conversations when we have been demonstrably trying to ensure that everyone can have their voice heard while maintaining some semblance of order.

Hear that? It’s out of line to report other people talking about the userki, which is a HACK, I guess this means it’s ok to discuss hacking as long as you’ve promised to purify yourself in the holy basin on a regular basis. PRAISE RAND!!! DUNK

Alah wrote:
Maybe the reason we keep reacting the way we do when you and your post-mates show up is because you never attempt to do the adult thing and talk to us in a serious, sarcasm-free manner. Instead, you pull juvenile stunts and defy any efforts made by either the moderators or the admins at Cyan to discuss your problems. I would expect such behavior from a 5th grader having a temper tantrum, and that is how I respond to it.

I applaud you Alah, how very adult of you to say something like that.

Alah wrote:
You want a serious discussion, try doing it without the overblown attitude and sarcasm, you’re likely to get farther that way.

Shorter Alah: I had my funny bone removed at an early age and am in fact allergic to sarcasm. Please don’t use it around me or I might break out in a horrible rash.

Alah wrote:
Sempler may be right, being overly nice is just politics and platitudes, but there is something to be said for tact: people will take you more seriously, and be more willing to listen to what you have to say, if you don’t act like a jerk and ignore olive branches when they’re extended in good faith.

I thought it was a nice gesture of him to take the time and patience to take something that happened over at the MOUL forum and put it on his blog for discussion. Not one single moderator has done the same thing! They could learn something from him.

Alah wrote:
If you’re still interested in being part of a serious discussion, I’m still willing to listen. You’re free to completely ignore my offer, of course, but I can’t think of a good reason why you wouldn’t at least try to make your point since I’m giving you the opportunity. Trust me, I have enough other things to do that if I were going to blow you off and ignore what you had to say, I wouldn’t be asking in the first place.

Really… Hoikas has been going out of his way reporting posts in threads about the userki, and telling Alah his thoughts on the situations. Come on Hoikas, let him know what you’re really thinking.

>Why does it have to come to this?

A couple days ago the 13 words you can’t say on the MOUL forum were posted in another entry of mine, and today I read the MOUL forum only to find they are talking about the userki!!!! And the moderators are ADDING to the topic with their posts!!! What is the forum I know and love coming to???

http://mystonline.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=16001&sid=902f1ce5d317a00313b251279dc6c793

http://mystonline.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=16051&sid=2bbd622d419b6e3788e4062246d1b415

One person asked why can’t we have both OOC and IC (userki being on the OOC side of the argument), and I say it’s because as In Cavern specialists, it is our duty to tell people what they should and shouldn’t do in Uru. I may not own Uru, but I will go out of my way to tell you what you can and can’t do.

See, it was a bad idea for Cyan to encourage fans to make fan ages, because now it’ll make people want a userki and an adminki, and sooner or later the cavern will be overrun by those damn colored people, those rainbow colored people ruin the purity of our world just as the userki and adminki would if allowed.

Reading down one of those threads I saw this post.

It has all the standard default functions built into the back end of any 3D admin set of functions to move about freely and to change colors, lighting and set special conditions, so it was a repro of a standard debug tool that is widespread in all games for de bugging and is therefore not a mythical or unique invention..basically a master cheat code set up. As such it changes all the IC nature of the experience. It certainly can be fun for a limited area, and if there are individual servers as Cyan has mentioned that would be a place for it, but it threatens the vault integrity of the larger game. But again an excellent topic for discussion and debate as all of these threads are.

The response just irked me to no end.

Don’t listen to him. He apparently never used the userKI. The userKI caused no database issues. Such accusations are the hallmark of ignorance, nor was it a “debug tool.” It was a gift from the UU Administrators in December 2004 to keep people interested in the game.

If I want to believe that the userki causes low gas mileage, brain tumors, sour milk, and spray on hair straight out of a can, then dammit that is my right as an explorer to believe that!

Think about it! I know I didn’t.